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Forgotten words problems

distantvoice   June 27th, 2014 3:24a.m.

Once again, I have forgotten a good number of words, and I need to relearn them. I'm a little frustrated with Skritter, because it doesn't prompt me on the words I have forgotten often enough. One recent example is, that I am prompted with a words I last saw 3 months ago, and now write anymore. My next prompt is another three months from now! I need to see that word again immediately or at least tomorrow.

Memrise handles this differently: When you don't remember a word, it immediately prompts you on the word until you get it right, then shows it again after a short period of time. If you get it right then, the intervals start increasing again. This is much more effective.

Am I doing something wrong or does anyone have the same problem?

...just read the FAQ about spaced repetition. It says:
(Don't know) gives you a next review interval about 25% as long as the one that was scheduled for this review, with a minimum of thirty seconds and a maximum of one week.

One week is far too long in my opinion.

马洲屹   June 27th, 2014 10:08a.m.

Hey Distant Voice,

I have been thinking about this problem as well for the past few weeks and have been meaning to send the guys at Skritter HQ an email (which i still will).

I have been going through some of my banned words and I have seen some of my words that I have got correctly 2/2 times (tone and word) will not be studied again for 9 years!! (this has happened quite a few times and I was going to send them the screenshots to prove it). I find this very hard to fathom as I have my retention setting set to 97%, but maybe because I study all four testing types together this could affect my SRS scores.

In regards to your and my problem, I was going to suggest that Skritter maybe added the optional functionality in the future to tweak with your SRS settings (ala Pleco) to curb this problem in the future.

It is funny hearing about your problem, because I seem to see characters that I know I know quite often (but I think that could be my mind playing tricks on me).

I have heard people in the past suggesting getting the words/characters wrong first time you see it. I used to do that, but I study so many a week (sometimes 100+ - that it can cause a backlog of reviews to handle).

Cheers,
Joe

kigh   June 27th, 2014 1:17p.m.

One trick I use is to add more words with the characters I struggle with.

马洲屹   June 27th, 2014 8:12p.m.

Cheers Kigh! That is a good idea, which I might try.

So I am adding words that are in common usage, maybe using the sentence function in ChinesePod or Popup Chinese would be a good idea.

humalin   June 27th, 2014 9:12p.m.

I use the same tactic as Kigh, when there's an specific character I have difficulties with I add a pair of words that include it (but only if those words are common)

distantvoice   June 29th, 2014 6:06a.m.

That's a good way of getting around it, however, I don't have the time to add more words, I'm struggling to hold the level I got to. Currently I'm busy with other things than Chinese.

My retention rate is also set to 97% btw.

ChengChung   June 30th, 2014 8:07a.m.

I know that problem. Fully logical as Chinese writing is, there are still a few characters that are very easy to forget after a week or two. I have marked those difficult words and characters with a star and whenever I want to focus on these, I go to Advanced Study and set a high Star Emphasis. After a few months, you could unstar all these problem words and start over starring those that bug you most. Adding additional words is also very good, but I now have a long backlog in my Miscellaneous list.

anterya   July 20th, 2014 2:22p.m.

I have the same problem with Skritter as what the OP describes. The intervals between reviews increase too fast, and when I forget a word there's no way to make Skritter to schedule it for review on the next day.

In order to avoid this problem I had to look at the back of the card literally for each and every card, to see how long ago the card was reviewed and to figure out if clicking the "green" button would cause trouble. This was very exhausting and time consuming, besides, as a result I basically had to click the "yellow" button most of the time. In the end I just switched to a different software (even though I really like Skritter a lot in regard to its other features). I still use Skritter for character writing practice.

I fully agree with "马洲屹" above that Skritter should add an optional functionality that would enable us to configure our SRS settings. Unfortunately, based on the past experience I'd say that the Skritter guys have always been very reluctant to implement functionality like this. Probably because in order to implement such features they would have to make huge changes to the code, perform intensive testing, etc. I looked into the Skritter API, which was made available some time ago, and it looked like the coefficients that control how soon the card would be scheduled for review again are simply hard-coded, and the program always reads them from one and the same place, no matter who the user is. Well, this is just my guess...

ricksh   July 21st, 2014 7:28a.m.

I agree with anterya and others here, there is a problem here, as described. What I'd really like to see is:
1. ability to reset (/mark as wrong) word/character or character parts in lookup
2. (more importantly to me) time limit option on SRS e.g. use Skritter SRS for intervals but max interval is X months.

The anki style tweaking of SRS would be nice too, but maybe that would be a lot more coding as anterya alludes to.

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