The green % complete bars for a list on an individual study list page or on the page showing all study lists now seem to show very low % complete figures when you are only partially through a list.

Is it showing some different statistic now from how many words have been added?

Of course it is possible I am just going mad, but could it be showing the % complete on the section of the list that you are currently studying?

Overall, I really like the new interface BTW, thanks guys!

The progress bar takes a lot more into consideration than it did before. Before it only looked at how many sections there are left, and assumed they were all the same size. Now it uses how many words are in each section, and also discounts those sections it needs to go back to (if you added words to a section that you already studied, that no longer goes to the progress bar total until it gets revisited).

If that doesn't explain the percentages you're seeing, let me know which lists in particular don't seem right and I'll double check that the code is working the way it should.

And thanks, glad you like the changes!

Will there ever be a functionality where the % complete data is able to read the whole list instantly? For example, many ChinesePod lists I add already contain items I've studied, but when I add them, they always show up as 0% complete until I actually study them. Even if I've already studied 8 of the 10 words in the list, it will say 0% instead of 80%. Are there plans to get this function to work in real time?

Unfortunately, that would be a great deal more complex (ie bug prone) and take more processing power than that degree of accuracy would be worth. The best way to see how well you know any given section is simply to go to that page and view the progress table on the right (which loads to show you just how long it would take to get that kind of data each time you'd want to know that number).

I'm sorry we've let you down in terms of feature requests a second time in a row!

OK I may have a problem with a list.

I just added a section to a list I have been studying from ("New Practical Chinese (TLI)") and that was over 90% complete.
http://www.skritter.com/vocab/list?list=102419887
Now the list shows as 3.6% complete:
http://screencast.com/t/3CwCSYKhf6fD

Also, if I look at earlier sections of the list, I see a lot of "holes" with words that Skritter says I haven't studied but I'm pretty sure I have studied:
http://screencast.com/t/I5wJCV2ZZY

Strange!

It looks like today you changed the list settings to start studying from Lesson 14. When that happened, the new list system basically said "Oh so you don't want to study anything prior to that. Okay!" and proceeded to remove that list from all those words in Lessons 1 through 13. It mentions that in a note underneath where you choose your starting section (it says "Note: sections before chosen section will not be studied") but such a small note may be too easy to miss.

Basically, all the "holes" are those words in that list that aren't in any other list that you're currently studying. Once a word is not being studied in any list, it's deactivated.

Simple to fix though. Just change the settings to start from Lesson 1. It will go through and add back the ones that were removed, no loss of progress. And I tweaked the system so that it doesn't overwrite those dates of when you finished a given section, so you don't lose that data in cases like these.

Hope that makes sense; what do you think, is that behavior useful? Does it make sense? It's part of a larger effort to make changing list settings and list contents directly affect your studies. Perhaps a more noticeable warning would be helpful here.

" Once a word is not being studied in any list, it's deactivated."

That is, removed from study? What if I get rid of a list from the study page? There used to be a dialogue box, now I believe they just disappear? (I think I tested it out on short list a few days ago, or was going to - I hope I didn't lose anything important). I'm still a little unclear on this.

So, if it is this way - why should lists (stuff you make to add stuff to study) posthumously control what is in study? It might make sense from a programming/database perspective, but it doesn't strike me as being natural or obvious.

What if I actually knew it worked this way, and removed a list thinking the words would be removed too? But some of the words, unbeknown to me were in another list, so did not end up removed? There's no easy way to tell that from the list itself without going through every popup to see what is duplicated. This is messy.

Would sticking with the banning tool as the one method of removing words from study be simpler? Lists could then be a source for adding, but otherwise be independent of what's in study. In the case of the list I removed from the study page, I would then be able to get the words back from the banned page.

Sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

Edit: PS. It would be nice if the x button on the study page had some indication of what it does before you click it.... Hover text or something.

Yes, by deactivated I mean removed from study. I wanted to give the idea that when you remove something in that way, it can be easily brought back, that nothing is actually deleted. The only time progress is removed is when you wipe your whole account.

Removing a list from the study page hasn't changed from before. It strips those words of their link back to that list, and if the word isn't being studied from any list, it's removed from your studies. Again, no change here; this is how removing whole lists has worked for a while.

It should only do it with a single click if there are no words to remove. That is, if you hadn't even begun to add words from that list. The dialog box is just there to warn you when you're about to remove words from studies, but when there are no words being removed it just goes ahead and removes the list without any further prompt. Perhaps it would be best to have at least a small confirmation box though. To undo the removal, just go back to the list's page and choose to study that list once again.

The reasons why changes to lists affects studies now is a) to prevent needless busy work for you guys and b) to make it unnecessary to understand how the system works underneath in order to use lists effectively.

The old system had needless busy work whenever you edited lists that you were actively studying. If you wanted to remove a word from studies and from your list, first you had to remove the word from studies if it had already been added, then from the list, in that order (because you couldn't control a word that wasn't in the list, d'oh!). It was not a simple or intuitive process in this scenario. And if you wanted to add a word to a list that was already finished, you had to go to the list settings and save them over again to force the system to re-add the whole list to get any minor or major additions. Again, not intuitive, and needless busy work, and very difficult to explain to newcomers without going into a dreary description of the inner workings of the software which really ought not to be necessary. It's so much simpler to just say: "words you study = words currently in the lists you chose to study".

Which gets into the second reason. You had to understand how words are added from lists in order to make sure they were added properly. You had to understand that the system scans the list from beginning to end, then stops, no matter whether or not things within the list changed along the way. Now with the new system, you set the settings once and edit the list whenever you want, without worrying about whether or not those edits will actually change what you study. All of the backend stuff happens without you needing to know about how exactly it all happens. It just works.

By the way, in terms of the programming/database perspective, the new system is fairly more complex than the old one, which is why it took a while to get done. The way it was before (leaving it to you guys to manage list settings and get updates) was easier for us; it was a much simpler system because it was completely oblivious to list changes. The automation system is actually an additional layer of logic on top of what we had before. This was not to make our own lives easier, believe me ;)

Addressing your example where you remove a list, the way you describe is not the best way to go about seeing what words were actually removed from a removed list. Once the list has been removed, just browse the list progress section by section, no need to open the word popup for each one. It shows on the right side of the table which words you are still studying. And if you see one that you really would like to remove that wasn't removed, you can open it up and see a list of vocab lists it is still being studied from, and from there you can decide whether or not to remove (or edit) any of those other lists as well or simply ban the word.

For your suggestion on using the banning tool solely, this seems more complicated to me. The way I understand you, if you remove a list from studies, you then ban every word in that list? That would overload the banned page with words, and they wouldn't be in the nicely organized context of the list itself. I suppose alternatively you could ban all the words in a list, then go to the list page section by section to unban those you want back. You can actually ban a whole list pretty easily (depending on the number of sections) by selecting all the rows of any section and choosing to ban them. That would take a little while though; it would be faster to simply skip that section in the list settings. Though that method wouldn't prevent those words from showing up again later.

And finally (wow this is long), again don't worry about raising a fuss! Nick, George and I present a united front on our decisions because, after all, we are a company. But believe me when I say there were lots of (respectful) disagreements on the way to making those decisions, which is good because it challenges us to back up our decisions with reasoning and to come up with solutions that satisfy all of us. Debate is healthy! The key is just not to take these things personally, which can be tricky because we're all so invested in Skritter and making it super good.

I'm looking forward to hearing your response!

Thanks for the extremely in depth answer!

I’ve spent a while writing a response out, but I got to the end twice, and just felt very confused. It’s possibly because it’s late. Instead, can I just check if I’m understanding these principles correctly?

A) Words that no longer exist in any list are removed from practice.

B1) A list removed from the study page means the list is no longer actively added from, and the previous added words are removed from practice. The list is also still available in ‘vocab lists’. (yes?)

B2) A list removed from the study page means the list is deleted, and is nowhere to be found on Skritter, and so the words (as long as they are in no other list) are this way removed from study.

C) The current automatic list system (which keeps items up to date and in study, even if added to previously studied sections) only does so when the list is actively being studied? (To go with B1).

D) There are now three ways for vocab to be removed from practice. The first is when editing, by deleting the item from all lists. The second is on the study page, which removes the word from study, but keeps it as unadded in a list (the old system). The third, when practising or editing, is by banning the item.

I think the last bit is what has really confused me.

Thanks again

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the long answers, which I will read more carefully when I have time! For now I take from it that I should just start at Lesson 1, which is fine, and I will try that ASAP.

The reason I started at Lesson 14 was because adding had seemed "stuck" at Lesson 9 for some reason, even though I had already studied everything up to Lesson 9. It still showed all the lessons as done up to 13 or so, but Lesson 9 was listed as Adding, for what seemed like a long time and for no reason. So I told it to start at Lesson 14, which worked fine for me, but I didn't realize that would remove other words.

ok so now I changed the settings to start at Lesson 1, and I seem to again have the "stuck" problem. It displays that I am Adding from Lesson 1, and it looks like it will stay there forever, but maybe I am just being impatient. Also if I click the + button in the study page to manually add words, the button just becomes gray and stays gray, and doesn't seem to do anything else.

UPDATE: oops ok it seems to be moving up the list, just slowly. It is now says it's adding from Lesson 7.

The + button is still gray. If I refresh the page, and then click the + button, it stays gray, and it continues to say "Added 9". Maybe Skritter is slowly making its way up the sections, and until it finds some words that I don't know, it doesn't do anything?

@Byzanti: The rules you wrote (except for B2) are mostly correct, I've copied them and slightly changed them to make sure they're absolutely correct. Important changes in asterisks.

A) Words that no longer exist in any list *that you are studying* are removed from practice.

B1) A list removed from the study page means the list is no longer actively added from, and the previous added words are removed from practice. The list is also still available in ‘vocab lists’.

C) The current automatic list system (which keeps items up to date and in study, even if added to previously studied sections) only does so when the list is actively being studied.

D) There are now *two* ways for vocab to be removed from practice. The first is when editing, by deleting the item from all lists *that you are studying*. The second, when practising or editing, is by banning the item.

So there is no longer the option to only "remove" the word from studies. Banning removes the word from studies if it's being studied, and also makes sure the word doesn't get added again. Does that make sense?

Also to be clear, when I say 'lists that you are studying' I mean all the lists that appear in the study nav. That's why the "x" on the study page removes a list from study, but does not remove the original list from existence. The only way to delete a list is to go to its page, and click 'Delete list'. And even then, it will appear in your deleted lists so it can be recovered.

@Kai Carver: I checked your account and looks like you've made it all the way to Lesson 16 no problem now. It sounds to me like it was just taking a while for the system to make its way through all those sections and add back the words you already knew, so it wasn't really stuck. We should probably have some sort of notification though for when this happens so you can tell whether or not it was actually frozen.

There is a bug: items add from 'Old Queue: Not Yet Added', but this list is stopped. The items from these sections I put into a new list 'New Queue: 1'. The adding bar in the flash window shows it coming from the correct source, the prompt shows it coming from the wrong source. I presume it's a labelling bug.

Thanks

@scott After reading everything, I am left with one question. Let's say that several months ago I studied some lists, finished them, and removed them from the study page because I didn't like the clutter. Now when I go to the study page and click on "See more" I don't see them. Does that mean I need to go back to those lists and re-add them? And if so, how can I find a list of all the lists I've ever studied?

James

Would also like to know the above. And if I can safely remove my finished/stopped lists from the study page or not. And whether I can delete finished/stopped lists, or not.

Thanks

Oh no, all the things I was responding to have been moved around and changed! Byzanti, you scamp with the edit button. I still have the PDF so I know I wasn't imagining... Well I'll just write an abridged version concerning the things you brought up just to try and make sure there's no (or at least less) confusion.

Byzanti, the way the system works now is you study lists directly, you don't go through the My Words middleman. Think of lists now as sheets of paper with lists of words on them, and you study those sheets. This is why removing words from lists affects your studies. If I write down on a sheet of paper a list of words, hand the paper to you to study, and then later on I erase all those words and hand you the paper back, do you study the words that used to be there? Hopefully no!

And to take the physical realm further once more, and to answer James' question, consider the lists you are studying as a stack of these papers in a bin marked 'study'. If you remove the list from the stack of papers in the bin, you're no longer studying it are you? If you throw the piece of paper in the trash can, you no longer study it either. It's gotta be in the bin marked 'study'. That bin is:

http://www.skritter.com/study

So, if you remove a list from studies, the words in it are at the same time removed. Same with deleting lists. You can't study a list you threw in the trash. And with the new system... you only study lists. That are in that bin.

However, James, in terms of removing lists from your studies like this, it's been that for some time. I did not change the way that page works in any way during the migration. Click one of the x's for a list you've already studied at least some and you'll see a popup with more details on what happens when you remove the list from studies. For all intents and purposes, no items were removed from study last week by our migration. To have removed those words, you would have had to press the big blue button that says "Remove Words" with a trash can on it.

But if you still want to add back the words from the lists you removed way back when, I can come up with a list of all lists you've ever studied. Just give me the word.

@Byzanti: oh that's not a bug. It's just the prompt only shows the first list you added a word from. It was added to the Old Queue list first so that's the one that shows up on the prompt. Check the list of lists the word was added from in the word popup and you'll see they're both there.

@scott I think the confusion here is that, at some point in the not-too-distant past, when we removed a list from the Study page, it didn't remove the words from study. (I think there *was* some way to delete all the words in a list from study, but you definitely had the option of removing the list without removing its words.)

I just went and investigated a little. I studied several "food" lists in the past. Many of the words I learned were specific to those food lists and don't occur anywhere else. I removed those lists from the Study page back when all that did was hide the list. If I go to one of those words in "My Words" I can see that "菠菜" is in My Words and was added from "Vegetables" which is one of the lists that are no longer visible on the Study page. So far, so good.

Now it appears that the semantics of removing a list from the Study page are quite different, and if I did the same thing all over again it would actually delete 菠菜 from study, correct? If that's the case, then the only problem is that those of us who deleted lists from the Study page before the upgrade without deleting words have a Study page that doesn't obey the new rule that "all words under study must be in a list visible on the Study page". I think it would be better to make it consistent and have the "more" link show all the lists that words were added from in this case.

James

I think my trouble understanding the way the lists now work, and how removing lists or studying from a certain section removes words from study, is that I see Skritter as hosting my memory of all the words I know, regardless of how I went about getting them into Skritter/my memory. Removing a list shouldn't remove words from the collection of words I know. I'm not sure why someone would ever want to forget a word, but if they did, the explicit ban function should be enough, maybe extended to banning an entire list.

Another thing I find strange is that currently, if a word is removed from study, I have no way to know that I once studied/knew it, except by adding it again. So there is no way to distinguish between a word I know, or once knew and needs a review, and a word I have never encountered before.

However, while I find these aspects of the new lists unintuitive, I think they won't be a problem for me, because I will make sure to never remove lists, nor start lists from anywhere but the first section. I may pause adding from lists, but that won't remove anything. So everything should be OK for me and I don't have too trouble my poor little character-stuffed head with list-processing subtleties :-)

PS: if I remove a list or change what section I start studying from, do the numbers of characters/words I know show a corresponding drop in my progress charts? I guess so, but that also seems strange to me. But if they don't drop, that would also seem strange and inconsistent with the "removing words from study" behavior.

But again, I think I don't care or need to understand, because I'll try never to do that.

Thanks. Well I understand it now. It's not intuitive though. While I'm now clued up enough not to remove lists, items etc any more, someone at some time is going to do it and throw a ball when they realise their progress is gone. Moreover, it seems too easy to delete stuff from study, when frankly in a SRS system that's an emergency measure that we shouldn't need to do much.

Edited out a bit about losing progress on old lists (particularly Chinesepod: untagged list) after rereading James' post. Although I still can't check if that's the case for me or not as the vocab page has been down for a long time now. If the words are still added, and I haven't lost progress, what happens when they are due in practice? Will they continue as is, or will Skritter remove them? At the time when I removed this list from the study page you could safely do so without removing the words from practice. Has this affected many other people too?

Edit: Ok, the vocab pages are working now. I must have deleted the untagged list or some such at some point rather than just removing it from the study page. So what's going to happen to these words. Are they lost, still in practice or what?

I had edited out my posts back then as I figured I was just being a nuisance. It seems now I wasn't.

I strongly suggest you cut your losses and change the way this works.

"You add vocab from lists into study. You can see what you're studying in My Words" is a much much much simpler way of doing things. And ban anything you don't want. (Outcomes (as in pdf): banned or practice unaffected)

Or at very least, make it under the current system so that lists on the study page get banned rather than removed to the ether with all progress lost. This implementation's still quite patchy though and doesn't make much sense (outcomes: banned, or deleted from practice).

PS. A bug from earlier: if you're adding undefined words to a list, and you define them before they enter the list itself, they will at first appear as "add definition" in the list, despite just having added one. Refreshing the page sorts this out.

@James: you're right; in the past you could remove a list from studies without removing the words (way back when, perhaps a year or more ago). We could bring all those lists back to being visible on the study nav; that might be a good idea. And while it would be good to make everything work strictly true under these new rules, we can't do that because that could drastically alter what some people are studying, having changed the rules from what they were used to. Basically, actions that you take going forward follow the new rules, but everything you did before to make your studies work just so remain intact. We figure that's the least jarring way to do it, even if inconsistencies remain. Having the hidden-but-still-studied lists back on the study page could be an exception to that rule.

@Kai Carver: The way you think of Skritter is much closer to the way it actually works in the backend (it's just one really big pile of words, with some tags for which lists any given thing was added from) but explaining this to newcomers we have discovered is very difficult. The idea that there are lists and they interact in this novel way with this thing called 'my words' which is what you actually study is not a simple concept to get across, and we've been working at it from various angles for three years. The idea that there are lists of words and you just study them however is a very common (and simpler) concept, more familiar because it's how studying in real life works and it's generally how flashcard-style educational software works (at least in my experience; think Anki decks or iKnow/Smart.fm lists).

It sounds like you and James want to be able to hide lists from the study page without removing the words within? If we provide a way to hide lists without removing them, as a way to better organize your lists and keep old ones from getting in the way of the new, would that be what you're looking for? Then they would still in your studies, just hidden.

Regarding not knowing what words you added but then removed, we could consider having a way to view them. They're there, in the system, they're just not accessible right now. Though, one problem is that deleted words and characters you're learning indirectly look exactly the same. That is, if you learn a word with many characters, you're learning the characters but not studying them directly or individually. A word that you delete and those characters are the same because they both store progress information, but don't come up on their own in practice. So they'd all be mixed together...

Another option might be to change the way progress is shown on the list pages themselves. Right now, deleted and never-added words look the same, only showing progress for things you are actively studying. We could expand what is shown there, but visually it will get more complex than it already is... Well we already have a simplified view for those who don't care to look at the complex table of data so it might be okay to go a little wild. We're very careful though when it comes to making things more complicated...

And with the progress charts: they are not affected by deleting words but you're right, either way could make sense or not make sense depending on how you look at it. We opted to go with letting deleted (and inactively learned) items remain as part of the progress charts. All the other options we figured would be too jarring and unhelpful and/or more complex than would be worth implementing.

@Byzanti: Added the bug to my list, thanks for the report!

Regarding things being too easy to study, that's a good point. It's only a problem if people don't understand that it's happening when they do it though. I suppose we could raise awareness when editing lists somehow, with a warning when an edit will remove words from study, or something along those lines. Remember though, that even if words are removed from a list, the progress for those words is never ever lost; we would never make that so easy. The only way to change your progress data outside of studying is to delete your whole account, period. So if someone *were* to mistakenly remove words from study by editing the list, it's pretty easily fixed, especially since changes to lists are now recorded meticulously. We could even implement an 'undo' feature for when that happens.

Just to reiterate my response to James, because we know there are you guys who have put in a lot of effort making your studies just the way they are, the changes we made are not retroactive. Words you were studying before are still being studied now. Only those actions you make going forward will follow the current rules. You guys are our supportive hardcore base and we really appreciate the work and money you've invested in our software, and wouldn't want to alter your data drastically without your knowledge and permission, because that would be unfair.

I humbly disagree that the new system is less intuitive for people unfamiliar with either. But that's just my opinion versus yours, and none of us can forget what we know about how the site works and how it worked before and then look at it from an uncolored viewpoint. The objective way to figure this out is to see how people who have never used the site respond. That's why we're going to do a round of UX testing; George is working on that project right now. And if the testing shows that you're right, Byzanti, and no less drastic changes (such as the ones I suggested above) can fix or alleviate its shortcomings to our satisfaction, then we'll change back or consider other options.

But we need to give this new system a proper chance first.

Great - I can relax then.

Good luck!

PS. Still getting quite a few server timeouts when clicking on sections in lists.

@scott - I can't speak for Kai, but I think my intuition is that the Study page would show the lists that are active on top, as it does now; on the bottom the inactive lists (i.e. not adding from, but reviewing words from) that I have added from most recently; and that when I click on "More" it would show all lists from which I have added words. I don't think it's essential to let us hide or show lists, and that would require a new UI anyway.

James

Thanks Byzanti!

Any particular sections that are causing you trouble? I think I know what's basically causing the problem though; I'll work on it.

@James: Sounds like the recent changes should keep you set then! The finished lists now go to the bottom of the reviewed lists, and 'see more' has become 'see all'. You're all set then?

Personally I also don't want to hide or remove any lists.

I also don't ever want to remove any words.

But here's a couple practical issues I currently have:

1. I do occasionally want to study from a specific section of a list. For example, if I am taking a course, then missed a few weeks, I would like to catch up by first studying the current section, then later studying earlier sections.

I get it that if I study starting at a specific section, it will remove all the words from earlier sections. I don't really understand this, don't like it, and don't see how this behavior would be of any use to anyone, but I can work around it.

I guess the way to study a later section first, then do the earlier ones, is to "Skip" earlier sections I don't want to study currently. Or will that also silently remove words from the sections I skip?

2. I am having issues with the list I am currently studying from (and hope to publish as soon as I finish it, as I would like to share it with classmates at TLI):
http://www.skritter.com/vocab/list?list=102419887
I add to it as I go along, because it takes a fair amount of time to add the vocabulary of a lesson. I add new sections to the end of the list.

The problem is that whenever I add a new section, my progress on the list goes to 0.0% or near 0, and seems to be stuck there. It's currently stuck. I have gotten it unstuck in the past, maybe by just clicking "Change Study Settings" and then "Save", or maybe by just waiting long enough? Then it takes a little while to go through all the sections to get back to the section towards the end that I am currently at.

Maybe this happens because I add a new section at the end, then edit the sections to move the added section to the next-to-last position, because the last section is a catch-all "Supplementary vocab".

This "stuck at 0%" is probably no big deal, except I am unsettled by issue 1 above, where I can unintentionally remove words from study. Presumably nothing of the sort is happening here, but it's a bit confusing when a progress indicator goes strange like that.

"stuck at 0%" problem, continued:

OK the percentage is finally creeping up, probably because Skritter decided it was time to add from that list (I currently have 3 active lists). Unfortunately, while it creeps up that list to confirm that, indeed, nothing has changed in the first 18 sections of the list, I can't do any reviews, I just get the 3 green dots in the upper left corner of the practice square:
http://screencast.com/t/vteAX8KNtb4
So I have to wait the 5 or 10 minutes it will take to go through my list. No big deal, but maybe it's the kind of thing that makes users think the system is not responsive.

PS: I can work around the frozen practice screen by refreshing the page. This lets me practice for a while, adding from other lists, until it tries to add from the problem list again, at which point it freezes again, at which point I can refresh again, etc., until the list has been fully processed.

@scott are you saying that this should already be fixed? Because I went to "See All" just now and I still don't see my "Vegetables" list (and God only knows how many others that contributed words to My Words). To be clear, I am talking about lists that I removed from the Study page a long time ago back when that didn't remove their words from study.

@Kai: The best way to do what you want is to cram the section. Go to the page for the given section, go to the bottom of the page and click 'cram section'. Then you'll study that section separately from all the other sections, and it will add words from that section if they need to be. The list settings are not really designed to be changed frequently. Does cramming the sections cover your needs?

As for the progress problem, I'm not really sure how or why the number went to 0%, and at this point it's hard to tell. My guess is changing the study settings set it to the beginning to go over the whole list, and it was taking so long because it had a lot of words to go through. Editing the list should not cause this problem though. If it happens again due to editing, could you pause the list and let me know what was the last change you made to the list? I'll make sure also if it happens again that you don't have to sit waiting for all that adding to get done.

@James: Oh yes, sorry I had forgotten about those. I'll get the currently hidden lists visible for you very soon.

@scott OK thanks I'll try cramming a section next time I need to do that.

I can probably reproduce the 0% problem next time I add a section (I have 4 more to add). I'll let you know. By "pause the list" do you mean "stop adding"?

The waiting is no big deal for me, it's just fyi if it can help with debugging or whatever.

Yes, by pause the list I mean stop adding. A relic from a time when we actually had play/pause buttons for doing the same thing. Things, they keep changing.