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how do you do it?

learninglife   February 17th, 2013 12:51p.m.

i am really curious how you guys deal with the extremely high numbers of daily reviews that sometimes appear.

an example: yesterday when i started skrittering the system told me i have to do 899 reviews.
after 1 hour and 52 minutes i had brought it down to 289 reviews - which is still not zero. but thats where i left it.

i have tried to reduce the retention rate. it doesnt seem to reduce the number of daily reviews significantly.

when university (here in BJ) starts again in ten days i want to be prepared and i would like to know how i can do the reviews AND add new words within two hours.

how can i bring the system to offer less reviews per day so i make slower progress but still have enough time to add new words.

would be nice to hear how you cope with that.

dfoxworthy   February 17th, 2013 1:18p.m.

One option is to limit what you are reviewing. I mostly only practice writing and can memorize new vocab this way. Though you can get more out of it by studying all 4 types, is it worth having 4 times the daily reviews? Also be careful about marathon days especially if you are adding hundreds of new words on back to back days. Skritters system is about habit so, if you have large deviations daily then it will overload you.

夏普本   February 17th, 2013 1:37p.m.

I do all 4 reviews and have a 97% retention set. I don't have anywhere near that amount of reviews, with only about 3-400 per day, which I can clear in about an hour normally. If I feel overwhelmed I turn off word adding, so maybe you need to move to manual adding and jus slow down your new words,

nomadwolf   February 17th, 2013 9:44p.m.

malaili, the quantity of reviews depends on your retention for each review. I also have the most writing reviews, but that's because it has the lowest retention... next is tones, which has the next largest # of reviews... etc etc.

At least that's how it works for WORDS. For characters it's more complicated because the word reviews also get counted as character reviews, but only for all writings, most tones, and most readings (but not readings on iOS). Character definitions are counted only when you review the actual individual character...
So actually my character tone reviews is very high (just a bit less than writing), but the retention there is the highest of all 4 groups.

learninglife   February 17th, 2013 10:59p.m.

@malaili - its skritter time. real time i cant say sinc i sometimes take input breaks of about two hours or more...

nomadwolf   February 18th, 2013 3:41a.m.

Huh, I'm surprised. For me it's a "perfect" match:

Writing = 71.0% ==> 7204 reviews
Tones = 81.4% ==> 5530
Reading = 82.4% ==> 2548
Defs = 86.5% ==> 1769
[all for words only. All are lifetime numbers in my 8 months of skritter]

I am a little surprised at the scale of the differences... writing is much worse than tones, but not a huge difference in reviews.
Tones is only a little worse than reading, but more than double the reviews...

icebear   February 18th, 2013 5:18a.m.

Only study characters with Skritter, study words with another flashcard program (e.g. Pleco). Handwriting practice for so many words is very time consuming.

learninglife   February 18th, 2013 5:48a.m.

i think one "mistake" that i now understand was quick adding of new words by hand (manual adding).

that might be the main reason for my huge numbers of reviews.

its good to see all the different approaches from all of you! thanks a lot and keep it coming, i am really curious!

nick   February 18th, 2013 9:29a.m.

malaili, I think you're probably running into the case where there are too many unlearned parts for a word at a time, so Skritter spaces the rest of the parts out and just has you study one until you get it long enough to introduce one of the others. This mostly happens when you first add a word, and in that case the writing parts are done first (combined with the tone prompts on the web site). This could go some of the way toward explaining why you have more of those reviews. Not sure if that can explain all of it, though.

This is for word definitions. For character definitions, the reviews will always be lower, as nomadwolf says, because the character definitions aren't done as part of word definition prompts.

夏普本   February 18th, 2013 9:41a.m.

Mine seems quite fair considering I struggle much more on tone and writing, so have a lot more reviews.

Character Writings 79104 86.7%
Character Definitions 7537 85.5%
Character Readings 5047 87.4%
Character Tones 77176 91.0%

Word Writings 35688 72.0%
Word Definitions 7290 91.3%
Word Readings 6337 93.7%
Word Tones 35563 77.6%

learninglife   February 18th, 2013 11:52a.m.

my problem areas are writing... and reading

Character Writings 1300 87.1%
Character Definitions 542 78.6%
Character Readings 200 93.6%
Character Tones 1310 89.4%
Word Writings 1350 75.7%
Word Definitions 1329 75.2%
Word Readings 75 92.9%
Word Tones 1409 78.5%

learninglife   February 18th, 2013 11:58a.m.

@ 夏普本 how many reviews do you have on an average day?

i go with 600 to 800 a day ...

夏普本   February 18th, 2013 12:33p.m.

On average when I wake up, I have about 3-400. But I am clearing reviews constantly throughout the day.

learninglife   February 19th, 2013 9:08a.m.

@malaili I studied 244 days on skritter and the stats are from that period of time.

thanks for interpreting my numbers.

i only started recently with the reading. if i had started earlier with reading here it would also show the problems i have in this realm.

so i just keep buggering on (as churchill put it) and do my two hours a day ...

夏普本   February 19th, 2013 5:53p.m.

Those figures can't be your amount of reviews, must be learnt or studied characters.

learninglife   February 20th, 2013 12:13a.m.

correct. these numbers are studied characters.
here you have all the other numbers:

Character Writings 1307 1292 106239 87.1%
Character Definitions 549 544 5152 78.8%
Character Readings 216 212 946 93.3%
Character Tones 1315 1282 131301 89.3%
Word Writings 1357 1342 46097 75.8%
Word Definitions 1332 1326 18814 75.3%
Word Readings 81 80 267 92.9%
Word Tones 1414 1380 56573 78.5%

nomadwolf   February 20th, 2013 12:32a.m.

Have you turned off adding the readings for words? Because I find it incredible that you only have 81 readings "learned" but have over 1300 learned in all other aspects.

If not, then this looks like a very extreme case of prompts being pushed back because they are being quizzed more frequently on other prompt types... still very strange to me...

learninglife   February 20th, 2013 5:35a.m.

@nomadwolf correct. i said before that i enabled the "reading" section pretty late.

wish i had started with reading from the beginning though.

learninglife   February 20th, 2013 11:56a.m.

i just sometimes think that learning is a great adventure. you never know when you will "finally" remember the words that you keep forgetting.

but when this moment comes - happieness comes.

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