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words added from list only when all characters learned

wll64   July 18th, 2013 6:22p.m.

I've been using skritter for just a few weeks (with the learnm character list, which is killer good).

I was going to ask for a way to automatically add words for which I already know all the characters. Another forum post pointed to an external script to generate such a list, but that external page is dead (and not in wayback either).

I've now realized that I can easily enter my own word lists (e.g., from chinesepod, or other words I've seen, or from a word-frequency list), and if skritter could only add new words from the list if I already know all the characters (instead of FIFO), I'd be an incredibly happy camper.

This would let me build on what I already know on a short path to what I want to know.

Please, please?

Bill

PS If there's some sort of internal structure that uses the FIFO nature, and the probably is, I'm happy (in fact, it might be better) if skritter just re-ordered the word in the list.

ricksh   July 18th, 2013 9:10p.m.

If you know, say, only 500 characters, the number of words this can produce from any decent size dictionary is huge, but many are low frequency and not useful (and would not be recognised in colloquial speech). Even if you only generated words from e.g. HSK lists I wouldn't think it makes sense to learn HSK6 words before know HSK1 words (or whatever). Those scripts are interesting, but I wouldn't base learning approach on them.

wll64   July 19th, 2013 12:13a.m.

Yes, just adding words-with-known-characters from a huge list of words would be a disaster. I found some results at

http://confusedlaowai.com/2012/08/learned-frequent-chinese-characters/

showing that just the first 100 chars provides 1128 words from CC-CEDICT!


What I had in mind used priority, for example:

- use HSK1 as a word list
- turn on "add words with characters I know"
- learn words efficiently because I don't have to learn words before I know the characters
- when that stalls, force add the (presumably less common) characters and finish HSK1
- then use HSK2 and repeat


Bill

zhangyanglu   July 19th, 2013 6:05a.m.

If already HSK 1 sums up to more than 1000 character combinations, then I think it will Not really help you so much. Like wll64 says you would probably end up knowing thousands of words which you never encounter in wild life.

I would also suggest to stick with the official frequency lists, unless you're studying one of the major textbooks for which you might be able to find the complete vocabulary list here on Skritter as well. In that case I think it would be preferable to stick with the vocabulary of your text book

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