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上去 vs 下去

aharlekyn   May 4th, 2011 11:47a.m.

Does anyone know why 上去 shàngqù gets the fourth tone in the end but 下去 xiàqu is neutral?

It does not make sense to me, since both 上 an 下 is 4th on their own. Why the difference?

meihui   May 4th, 2011 12:12p.m.

I just did a quick search in dictionaries and other sites and most of them write xiàqù. In some resources looks a bit like xiàqù means the verb "to go down" and xiàqu is a complement to a verb (like 说下去). In Yellow Bridge it says, that both is possible, but xìàqù is preferred in Taiwan...
http://www.yellowbridge.com/chinese/wordsearch.php?searchMode=C&word=下去&search=Search
I'm also interested if someone can shed some light on this matter.

nick   May 5th, 2011 1:16p.m.

In Skritter, we have neutral tone for both of them as the main tone on 去, which is being used as a directional complement here.

http://comet.cls.yale.edu/mandarin/content/directional/grammar/direction-1b.htm

According to this page, you would normally use neutral tones on directional complements for 去 and 来 (except with 到 ). But that's probably a mainland thing, where Taiwan would use the full tone in this case.

Another page on directional complements, which doesn't mention tone explicitly, but does use the full tones on them:
http://www.ctcfl.ox.ac.uk/Grammar%20exercises/DC.htm

In the Skritter database, we tend to indicate them as neutral tones, but also allow the full tones. Meaning: if you answer fourth tone for 去 in 上去, it will accept it, but it still displays as a neutral tone in the prompt. That's for tone practice--I haven't fixed it so that reading practice will allow the full tone yet.

aharlekyn   May 5th, 2011 1:40p.m.

Aah. Make sense. Thanks!

Why do you think does MDBG have the Taiwan full tone for the one and the mainland neutral for the other?

jww1066   May 5th, 2011 3:23p.m.

MDBG is not super reliable. I wouldn't be surprised by inconsistencies.

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