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Other Flash Card Voc Trainers

itaju   June 19th, 2012 7:58a.m.

Dear community,

as I am learning also Spanisch and French, I'd like to ask if there is any offer on the internet where you can learn vocabularies in the Skritter Flash-Card Long-Term-Memory style.
Basically what I am looking for is something like Skritter, just without the writing but options.

It has to be using some kind of cloud as I tried two offline vocabulary programs. But after two crashes (once my computer, once the program itself - deleted all progress data!) I had to start from scratch and as I want to train vocabulary over years (and decades) I'd just like to give my training data to the cloud.
Preferable something where you have Spanish and French pronunciation + example sentences or something like that, but not necessary.

It does not have to be free as I am willing to pay for a good service.

This should not be a discussion about alternatives too Skritter as I am fully satisfied with the service granted on this site.

If there is not something listed as above, please, dear Skritter-Delopers: EXPAND, you are doing it great. ;)

icebear   June 19th, 2012 8:34a.m.

Google Anki - a free flashcard program with many existing decks in many languages which allows cloud syncing. Skritter's main advantage is good handwriting recognition, but if you don't need that (for other languages) then Anki is a great free alternative.

Anony   June 19th, 2012 8:39a.m.

@Itaju
I will highly recommend www.memrise.com!
Highly effective.

Anony   June 19th, 2012 8:40a.m.
scott   June 19th, 2012 1:55p.m.

We Skritter developers use Anki too for our non-Japanese/Chinese learning needs. It's a solid general purpose flashcard app.

itaju   June 19th, 2012 3:35p.m.

Okay, I tested both of those options and even though I might not have checked all of the options I found some limitations in both offers that might keep me from using them:

Memrise:
+ fun and rewarding learning process, good differentiation between Short- and Long-Term-Memory
+ good interface

- no option for sub-sections for lists, this makes it very difficult to keep big lists of vocabulary in order. I don't want to have just 2-3 lists with 1000 words each but I am no fan of having 50 small lists with 25 words each either.
- no option for self-grading. Well, I want to be super correct with my vocabulary and I think Memrise is not strict enough. 'Close' as an outcome feels wrong to me. If I answer la problema, when el problema is the right answer I want to be able to punish myself! And on the other hand if I mistakenly spell a word wrong just because I typed it wrong in a hurry I want to be able to correct myself.
- Wiki-based vocabulary. I don't want to wait for somebody to prove my corrections when I'm 100% sure the vocabulary and/or it's translation are spelled wrong

Anki:
+ great statistics

- No option for reviewing all of your vocabulary at once. The good thing about Skritter is, that you are asked items that are due out of all the characters you learned so far. I don't want to click each day all of my lists individually to train them. And what's much worse is that if I review a word from a long period of time ago I will remember that it is from one of the first lists and can't mistake it with an item I just learned from a recent list.
- no option for having several answers (like "la lengua" and "el idioma" for "language"


Maybe I have not used them long enough to find out about all these options I have been looking for. So let me know if you have any solutions to those problems or other recommendations.

aharlekyn   June 20th, 2012 12:13a.m.

I tried memrise.com and really liked it at the beginning. But then I got irritated that the "watering", "planting" and "growing" can not be done together. You have to go back to your garden. Select it what you want to do. And then enter again.

Also, the spaced repetition system is not fully functional. It will keep asking you the same thing over and over again just to get it out of the "greenhouse" and into the "garden".

It is a shame. I liked the look and feel of it.

Back to Anki for me...

kaysik   June 20th, 2012 6:51a.m.

"No option for reviewing all of your vocabulary at once"

According to the Anki FAQ and how I personally also use it is to have 1 deck per subject (not a deck for lesson or a deck per book like skritter lists). I only have 1 Chinese deck containing every sentence/word no matter where they came from which has about 1,500 items in it. You can then you split them up with different tags (if you care - mostly I don't). Once they're tagged you can choose to study all items in only certain tags if you want that but on the whole its just better always review the entire deck. If you only have 1 deck then the default is studying everything at once and it's all good.

As for several answers you can put whatever you like on the answer side of a card. I often write multiple meanings for the one sentence on the answer side each on it's own line - works quite well. However it's almost always better to have "question" cards with only a single answer if possible: http://ankisrs.net/docs/AddItems.html#_tips


@Aharlekyn: I also tried memrise for a while but had exactly the same issue with it always trying to send me to the menu. Just just give me a list and let me "do" :P

Olaf   June 20th, 2012 10:46a.m.

Like Kaysik I also tag my stuff on Anki so I can cram chapters when necessary.

Another good thing about Anki which no one has mentioned so far is that you can back it up to the cloud and sync decks across devices. I use Anki on my iPhone and backup my decks every so often.

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