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fangshi   May 7th, 2012 1:02p.m.

Hey everybody,

I just noticed that the character 誤 wu is missing the left and right vertical "hooks" of the two-time bend 11. stroke in Skritter. Is that a variation or a mistake? :S

nick   May 7th, 2012 2:23p.m.

We don't have that weird stroke in the database, and we also want to maintain consistency of the 吴 radical with the simplified form (in certain other characters), so it's sort of a technical limitation.

Bohan   May 7th, 2012 7:07p.m.

is this in reference to the 吳(wu2) component in 誤 ? If so, it used to be available and worked perfectly well.

jww1066   May 7th, 2012 7:31p.m.

Yeah, I remember studying it here in both simplified and traditional and being struck by the weird difference. I pasted it into the scratchpad just now and it looks like the right-hand side got simplified.

russell359   May 7th, 2012 11:13p.m.

So if it's too ugly/weird it'll get eliminated from the database? ;)

Bohan   May 8th, 2012 1:07a.m.

I did what James(jww1066) did and I'm confused because the traditional character 吳 wu2 is still there. I would think that if this were about consistency that it would make sense to be consistent about there being two ways to write Wu, as it shows up in other characters.

russell359   May 8th, 2012 1:22a.m.

I just checked and was able to bring up both 娛 yu2 and 俁 yu3 in the scratch pad, so is that consistent? (please don't delete it now that I've found it... lol)

oh and there's 悞 which works in the scratchpad too, found those via yellowbridge etymology explorer.

I found 誤 with the arms in mdbg and yellowbridge, but when I try to copy/paste it the arms get cut off... is that something to do with the technical limitation?

pts   May 8th, 2012 9:15a.m.

吴 is a variant of 吳 and traditionally, 吳 is considered the 正字 and 吴 is the 俗字。The Taiwan standard uses 吳 and the mainland uses 吴 for both the simplified and traditional character. So it's 誤 in Taiwan, and 误 (simplified) and 言+吴 (traditional) in the mainland.

There are now two standards (Taiwan and mainland) for the traditional characters. Skitter should declare which standard it supports and stick to it. Or better, provides both Taiwan traditional and mainland traditional and let the users choose what they want to learn.

nick   May 8th, 2012 9:24a.m.

Hmm; my mistake then. I'll see if George knows what happened to it and what our policy is.

george   May 14th, 2012 8:18p.m.

Okay, I've done some research into this and I think that it is a good and joyful thing always and everywhere to include that little hooked stroke, but only on traditional characters and Japanese Kanji. It does not appear to be a widely supported standard for simplified. Good research folks, thanks for pointing this one out. I've uploaded the fix to the site, and if you find any other examples of this trad radical existing in the incorrect form, hit me up at george at skritter.com and I'll scrub them from the site with a righteous fury.

Bohan   May 14th, 2012 8:36p.m.

cool ~

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