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Importing Data

radiator   July 28th, 2012 4:14a.m.

I would love the ability to import tab delimited data via file

Hanzi:
Pinyin: (if alternative to default desired)
English Definition: (if alternative to default desired).
Mnemonics: Your own personal mnemonics.
Notes: Notes, if you have any, could then be appended to the current Mnemonic area during display. Notes could include things like references to related characters, or a question to a teachers.

I guess currently, mnemonics can be treated and mnemonics/notes. Irrespective, having the ability to import fields would be very useful.

scott   July 28th, 2012 12:22p.m.

Generally demand for this has been rather low, so that I've just imported data on demand from the few people who want to do that, rather than build a dedicated system. That will quickly stop being efficient if many people would want to do that though. Are there others who would be interested in this?

radiator   July 28th, 2012 2:28p.m.

A few more thoughts.

My view is that making it easy to get data into and out of Skritter as easily as possible would be very useful, and will become more and more so. I believe that integration with Pleco provides a very useful, small window into that benefit of interfacing with other applications. People talk about browser plug-ins feeding into Skritter as well.

My own personal issue is that I have books that are not in your list, perhaps 5 books, each with 20 chapters for the coming semester, and I want these added where one chapter corresponds to one section. And they are prepared in a spreadsheets this way already. These are just the formal books. But I have other books and documents, each with 20 more chapters. And many, many more lists.

Here is another use case. This is something I do with other programs that I think would be very useful, and might be able to be done without a whole lot of effort. But it would require import function.

>>I am on a character in a Skritter study session. It looks a few other related characters. Not sure but I'm having problems recognizing it. So I jump out to Pleco, which reads in a list of the the character and all the related characters. The related characters were written by Skritter to the pasteboard. Skritter knew the related characters because they were provided in an imported notes list. Pleco picks up the characters and puts them into the Pleco Reader, or into the Dictionary module, depending on how you have Pleco set up. You review the characters looking at them individually, and all together. You see the subtle differences, study them a bit, and head back to the Skritter session.

Granted this would require some modifications, but not much. Skritter could then put out to the clipboard the following:
- Line 1 - Hanzi Character
- Line 2 - Mnemonic
- Line 3 - Any additional notes someone added. (related Hanzi characters, personal sample sentences, grammar notes, etc. ).

Then, Pleco would read it all in via pasteboard, and put it into the Pleco reader. The user could look at the characters, click on them, read the mnemonic (optional, should the user want that), and click on related characters (or whatever else they had there, like sample sentences in Hanzi).

But without being able to import data into Skritter, adding textbook lists is challenging, and adding any additional "compiled" information to the mnemonic or a "note field" is not practical.

lechuan   July 28th, 2012 7:05p.m.

I'd find this tab-delimited format very useful. But also good to keep the current system as the default, I think, because it's very easy to use.

tom123   July 29th, 2012 8:17p.m.

i would love to study heisig with german keywords. i got the excel-sheet with keywords, keywords as components and the heisig id-numbers. would you mind creating a vocablist for me, scott? what's your email in case?

scott   August 1st, 2012 7:44p.m.

Regarding textbooks, those should already have good import/export abilities. If you export your spreadsheets as tab delineated lines, then paste that text into the list editor, those words all get imported and processed at once. Granted you have to paste each of these blocks of text into separate sections, but what's built into the website is 90% of what you're asking for, it sounds like. You can also export list data from the site (click 'export list' on the left side of any list page).

Regarding sharing data like what you mention with Pleco, that's an interesting idea. We're already working with Mike on ideas for how to share data further so we'll keep this use case in mind, thanks for bringing this up.

You know what tom123, if you pass me the data I'll see if I can tweak together a way for those keywords to be available to everyone studying German and Heisig. Send them to scott@skritter.com.

Sobria_Ebritas   August 4th, 2012 1:11a.m.

I´m also interested in the ability to import tab delimited data via file. My characters lists include numbers that indicate their frecuency. It would be nice to see them while I´m practicing with Skritter.

Kai Carver   August 4th, 2012 4:18a.m.

Hi Scott the current import capabilities don't allow importing personal definitions, am I right?

If they did (and I'm not sure that would be desirable in most cases), then people could put mnemonics or notes or whatever in the definitions and import them that way.

scott   August 6th, 2012 11:44p.m.

@Sobria_Ebritas: We provide a sort of pseudo-frequency value in the word popup. It's expressed in terms of difficulty. Or would you want the data shown all the time?

@Kai: No, not currently. This would be a sizable project and nothing big is happening right now as we're focusing on refactoring, optimization, and the Japanese iOS app. This could be a project for after though.

Sobria_Ebritas   August 8th, 2012 5:13a.m.

@scott: Thank you very much for the information.

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