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Semantic roots

Amitabha   September 22nd, 2010 4:58p.m.

I'm wondering if there's a list of semantic components anywhere. I've pretty much memorized the kangxi radicals now, but they don't come close to covering the components teasing me in the character breakdown. I'm covered only for the very lowest breakdown of the characters, but a higher tier on the etymological breakdown hierchy would often be far more useful. Eg. When presented with 富[fù], I'd be hardpressed to guess the meaning from the kangxi radicals 宀,一, 口,田. The semantic component is actually 畐[fú](abundance, from 田(fields) piled 高 (high) [abbreviated]). Abundance under a roof = wealth, makes sense.
I've had a bit of a look for any such list of components, I've only stumbled across the list of shuowen jiezi radicals. They still doesn't include semantic components like 畐. However, I guess they'd be a start, does anyone have any thoughts on those 540 radicals? Would they be worth learning? I am somewhat interested in the etymology of characters and would like to study Classical Chinese next year.

Amitabha

蓓蕾   September 22nd, 2010 5:35p.m.

Actually, it sounds to me like 畐 (fu) is the pronunciation component, with the 宀 radical being the semantic.

source: http://www.chineseetymology.org/CharacterASP/CharacterEtymology.aspx?characterInput=%E5%AF%8C&submitButton1=Etymology

Remember that the vast majority of characters (~95%) consist of one semantic radical and a pronunciation component - there's no need to break the pronunciation component down into it's own semantic origins besides making a personal mnemonic, as they probably don't have any connection to the meaning of the overall character.

I highly doubt there is a complete list of pronunciation components - the number of radicals is constrained, but the number of possible phonetic components is almost limitless, with many many previously existing characters drawn into the role. And any time a new character needs to be created... That chinese etymology website says there are about 800 characters used as phonetic components, which probably offers a good base, but may not cover all unusual characters. Unfortunately, it doesn't point towards a list of these supposed 800 basic components.

soure: http://www.chineseetymology.org/CharacterASP/why_study.aspx#phonetics%20and%20phonetic%20shift

Thomas   September 22nd, 2010 6:55p.m.

Most of the larger components are simple, common characters. I like the old HSK lists, they are thorough and hold true to which characters you are likely to need first.

You can't find all the pieces to the puzzles, that's what makes it fun.

nick   September 23rd, 2010 10:40a.m.

I don't have a list like you describe, although I plan to make a list of the most useful components at some point.

It may be interesting for you to study this list:
http://www.skritter.com/forum/topic?id=48580068

rgwatwormhill   September 25th, 2010 5:41p.m.

If you are interested in a previous discussion on a related topic, see

http://www.skritter.com/forum/topic?id=39206146&comments=18

Rachael.

rgwatwormhill   September 25th, 2010 5:44p.m.

I have recently published two lists of semantic components, Sound Elements 1 and 2, and there will be more in the coming weeks. Hope it helps.

Rachael.

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