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héngzhé 横折 stroke recognition issue

Kai Carver   November 15th, 2014 1:27p.m.

It drives me a bit crazy that Skritter often has trouble recognizing a right angle stroke. The stroke is héngzhé 横折, i.e. left-starting horizontal then right angle down stroke.

Anyone else have this problem? I can't figure out a way to draw the stroke that will avoid this.

I raised this issue a few years ago, and Nick said he'd look into it, but it's still a problem for me. I have the problem with both the iOS app and the web/Flash version.

This difficulty occurs in many characters. For example 鑰:
http://www.skritter.com/scratchpad?words=%E9%91%B0%E5%8C%99

Here's a screencast showing my problem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apziZMHTf-g

(it's a bit jerky because my CPU couldn't process the recording fast enough, but you can get the idea)

Apomixis   November 16th, 2014 2:07p.m.

On the iOS version of Skritter, this seems to work for me...although it often tells me that the stroke is supposed to hook at the end, even though I thought I had done the hook fine. (Like for 用). So, it appears that the stroke-determination logic between the versions is different. Do you see it consistently misbehaving on the iOS version too?

Kai Carver   November 16th, 2014 4:46p.m.

Yes it's been a problem on iOS as much as on the web app.

Kai Carver   November 16th, 2014 5:39p.m.

I wonder if the Android app has an easier time recognizing when I write that stroke.

It's after I had been using the Android app for a while that I went back to iOS and the web/Flash versions and noticed this problem (again). It could be that the Android app is more permissive, so I notice the problem more when I switch back to the earlier platforms.

(or maybe the stroke recognition algorithm is identical on all platforms -- in which case I'm full of it!)

Kai Carver   November 16th, 2014 7:59p.m.

for the record here are earlier discussions of this:

problem/bug on 9th stroke of 學 (traditional Chinese)
http://www.skritter.com/forum/topic?id=91662579

problem recognizing strokes HZ and HZG (point 4)
http://www.skritter.com/forum/topic?id=187287444

somewhat related, I was amazed to discover that we can write 口 using two strokes with the second stroke like a "z" (I only knew the "]" shortcut):

two-stroke 口 recognition
http://www.skritter.com/forum/topic?id=254349064

PS: the problem strokes for me are HZ ㇕, HZG ㇆, and HSGW ㇈
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/31d5/
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/31C6/
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/31C8/

ximeng   November 19th, 2014 1:52p.m.

I get this problem particularly for hzwg strokes as in 染. Not for hz too much. For the z shortcut when drawing 口, skritter sometimes recognises a 2 stroke 口 when I'm expecting three and the third stroke gets marked as the next stroke in the character, which can be confusing. I haven't found a better solution than writing the hzwg five times until I randomly get it right when the first problem comes up, and the second problem is easy enough to handle when you know what's happening. In both cases I consider this a relatively minor annoyance and ignore it, hzwg is relatively rare so not a major problem for me.

ChengChung   November 21st, 2014 9:09a.m.

I get this bug quite a lot in traditional characters on the iOS app, e.g. the third stroke in 體 of 身體 always needs quite a few attempts before the system recognizes it.

Kai Carver   November 21st, 2014 10:34a.m.

thank you, I'm glad not to be the only one with this issue, I feel less lonely now :)

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